en-us Fri, 10 Feb 2012 21:51:43 +0200 forum@oxle.com 60 Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion http://www.speroforum.com/forum/ Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion http://www.speroforum.com/forum/http://www.speroforum.com http://www.speroforum.com/forum/images/oxlerss.gif Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion RSS Feed 144 47 Bible Games - iPhone or Droid JourneyWithJC @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7725&REPLY_ID=156770 General Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:38:28 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7725 Quote:
You say you want to stop and that's great. Start to build new relationships in other ways. Unfortunetely we live in a culture today where people aren’t learning relational skills any more. We go in our homes lock the door and have a relationship with a TV, Phone, Computer, games consuls or whatever.

If Jesus said the most important thing in life is learning how to love and he did, “Love God with all your heart. Love your neighbour as yourself,” then the most important thing for you to do is to learn relational skills – loving God and loving other people.

Let's get out and meet the needs of our neighbours...]]> Can animals express unconditional love? JourneyWithJC @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6110&REPLY_ID=156769 General Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:23:43 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6110 Quote:
Unconditional love is much different than affection or protection.

An ant, a bird, a cow cannot love. They have affections, they have attractions, they have instincts. But animals do not love. They do not sacrificially love the way human beings have been the ability to love. God gave us that ability as being created in his image.
So you could do the two things you were put on earth to do. Learn to love God and learn to love other people. Life is all about love.
]]> heretic catholic purgatory exposed Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7651&REPLY_ID=156768 Religious and Biblical Theology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:14:10 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7651 Quote:
No. This happens after we are judged. The scores are already tallied.]]> Many Christians Don't know the basic gospel! Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7310&REPLY_ID=156767 Religious and Biblical Theology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:05:34 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7310 Quote:
What does not have to do with our discussion?

I agree that a valid sacramental marriage is permanent. And our relationship with Christ should also be perpanent. Christ will never fail us. But He gave us free will.

God knows what we will do and what we won't do. He knows our fate, in Heaven or Hell, He already knows. But we still have to live out our lives and do what we will do. God is not controlling this. We are. Just because He knows what will happen does not mean that He made it happen. We are free to choose our own destiny.]]> 1 John1:9 is so misunderstood by many churches Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7655&REPLY_ID=156766 Religious and Biblical Theology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:59:57 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7655 Quote:
Gnosticism was an issue in the early Church, but that does not change the fact that John was writing to baptized born again Christians.

Even what you have quoted above supports this view. The author from "got questions" agrees that these were Christians who had the Gospel.

None of what you posted goes against what I said. All of those passages support my position. There is no other way to look a it -
1 John 1:9 means what it says. If we confess our sins, Jesus is faithful to forgive our sins. There is no contextual evidence to suggest that this only applies when we first come to Christ. The context from the verses cited show that John was writing to Christians who had already come to Christ and therefor had already confessed and been forgiven of their previous sins.

And this fits perfectly with what Paul said in Romans 3:25. Our past sins were forgiven, so if we sin again the solution is to confess our new sins and have them forgiven too.

This also fits with James 5:14-15, if the person had all his future sins forgiven, then why were his sins forgiven again? Because they were committed after his coming to Christ. There is no Bible passage that says that future sins are forgiven. Paul clearly states that it is our past sins that are forgiven and many times he warns us to not sin again.

It matters.]]> Context and the Correct understanding of Scripture Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7718&REPLY_ID=156765 Religious and Biblical Theology Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:43:22 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7718 Quote:
Evangelist, if you are still out there, please do not let your pride get in the way of a good discussion.

Look around you. There are over 40,000 plus denominations of Christians, and growing numbers of non-denominational Christians, and many more who have given up on organized religion and started just sitting at home with their Bibles.

This division is caused by pride. Each of them hold to a different set of doctrines - some just a little bit different, some are polar opposites. They cannot all be led by the Holy Spirit, but from our discussion just on this thread, it is easy to see what did lead them apart from one another.

Most of them are trying to get back to the truth. The originator of each split was sure that he or she found something that wasn't right and tried to fix it. Those of the originating group disagreed and so there was a split.

The Bible is not that complicated when viewed with an open mind, but when people start trying to make the Bible fit their private views or faith traditions, there is a tendancy to grab at verses that seem to support their position without considering what was really being said.

When the books of the Bible were first written, there were no chapters or verses in them. The proper way to read them is to start at the beginning and read it through. But today we don't do that anymore. You didn't.

You are making an assumption of Paul's views on Baptism based on a sentence without any consideration of what prompted him to make that statement. Without looking at the rest of the chapter, there is no context and therefore no understanding, and this is how we get further apart.

Please look at the passage preceeding that statement, and see what is being said. Why was Paul glad that he had not baptized them?

Please answer the question.]]> RCRC Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7726&REPLY_ID=156764 General Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:28:06 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7726 Quote:
Good for him. The purpose of excommunication is to get the point across for just how serious this is. He needs to stand firm, and if they persist, then he must follow through.

This is a cancer on our faith, it must be stopped or it will grow. Unfortunately it has been festering for a long time.]]> Discussion of Sin keeper49 @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=7711&REPLY_ID=156760 General Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:00:22 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7711 Quote:
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STOP TELLING LIES, Why do you stick up for the catholic con-men and the pope's porkies??

catholics don't believe the Bible...STOP TELLING LIES, why do you think they have to twist the Bible??? WAKE UP.

catholics weren't the only people who compiled the Bible, Christian evangelicals also did.

I know you don't take forgiveness and the Blood of Jesus for granted, As I said, You don't believe the Bible, AS you have just proved.
I REST MY CASE...catholics are a false religion, As you have proved.


First off G4 I believe the Catholic Church because I have faith the oldest known Christian Church is the ONE Church Jesus himself instituted. You are free to believe your new age evangelical nonsense theology which is so inept it can't even differentiate between the forgiveness of sin and the remission of sin.

Secondly,the evangelical Christians you speak of are of no real value to your argument, stating that they too compiled the bible, they did not even exist until the 15th century at best.(more like the 20th century)

Thirdly, Presumption is a sin that takes for granted forgiveness and remission of sin by God because we believe ourselves to be "born again" and therefore worthy of God's forgiveness. This in itself is a damning doctrine unprovable in Scripture. It is the biggest porkie I have ever read.

Now, if you want to actually discuss the nature of sin and its consequences I suggest you find an adequate definition for not only sin but also the forgiveness of sin and remission of sin. Perhaps afterward we can have an intelligent exchange.



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]]> How to determine my patron saint? Faith_at_Large @ Spero Forum http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?whichpage=-1&TOPIC_ID=6897&REPLY_ID=156751 General Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:11:51 +0200 http://www.speroforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6897 Quote:
I don't know that I picked one at confirmation, other than the one represented by my confirmation name (long story).

But, I have have always had a fondness for Saint Paul, and also for Saint Benedict. We have icons of both in our home.

I relate to Saint Paul very strongly.]]>